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Joel |
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It is imperative that everyone here recognizes that everything you can do as a smoker, you can also do as
an ex-smoker. You just have to teach yourself how. Somethings you are forced early on to learn immediately, how to eat, sleep, use the washroom, breath,
etc. These are things that are required from day one for survival, so even though you may resist doing one of them, you can't resist it for long and
will thereby be forced to start to break the association to smoking early on. Other things are sometimes put off and seen as not critical to face early on.
Things like working, laundry, cleaning, brushing teeth, combing hair, etc. While it is true you won't die if you stop one of these activities for a day
or two, putting off doing them too long will create a set of problems that can be quite annoying to those around you. Besides threatening your livelihood
and making you look like a slob in general, if carried on too long, you can really start to feel intimidated that you may not be able to do one or more of
these activities ever again. Once again I need to repeat the opening sentence here, everything you do as a smoker, you can also do as an ex-smoker--but you
have to teach yourself how.
Now when it comes to areas of less importance, watching tv, sports, playing cards, being a couch potato,
and yes, even drinking with friends--things that are not necessary for survival and in fact, things that may not even be good for you, well, the truth is
you can do these things too as an ex-smoker. The same process is necessary though, you have to teach yourself how. Holding off too long can create a sense
of intimidation, the feeling that you can never do it again. This simply is not the case, you will be able to get yourself back to your prequit existence
if you choose to.
Drinking is a special case because the association is so strong and by its very nature lowers your
inhibitions and can cause people to do some very irrational behaviors. Smoking can be one of them. Because of the drug influence, it is best to take it on
gradually, in the beginning in a safe environment. By that I mean the first time, limit it to one drink just to show yourself you can do that. Also, do it
with people who are non-smokers and who really are supportive of your quit. This is a much safer situation in the beginning by going out with drinking
smoking buddies who may be a tad envious of your quit, and who, while drinking also have their inhibitions lowered that may manifest in behaviours of
encouragement of your smoking at a time when you are more vulnerable.
Soon you will be able to face these environments too, but work your way their gradually, breaking some of
the association and intimidation factors in the safer controlled environments. The fact is though, for the rest of your life you will need to keep your
guard up, in a sense reminding yourself of your reason for having quit and the importance to stay off smoking everytime before you go drinking. It prepares
you to face the situation in a much safer state of readiness.
One special note I need to make here. When I say everything you do as a smoker, you can do as an
ex-smoker, the reverse is also true for some activities. If you were a recovering addict to alcohol or any other substance before, you couldn't use
that substance as a smoker and you can't as an ex-smoker either without a full blown relapse.
There are some things you may be able to do now that you couldn't do before due to physical
limitations posed by smoking. You may find that you are capable of doing activities that you gave up years ago because you were too old to do them or they
hurt when you tried, and now, without smoking limiting you physically, you may find you will recapture activities you lost in your youth. This is great
when it happens. But again, use of a substance you had a known problem with in the past is still an issue as an ex-smoker and will be for the rest of your
life.
So anyway, use your own timetable that you are comfortable with, but the sooner you prove to yourself that
life goes on without smoking, the sooner the concept of life after cigarette will become less intimidating and actually welcomed. Just start out gradually
and in the case of alcohol, in a little bit of a safer more controlled environment and fashion.
The way to learn to do everything though is to gradually do everything while always remembering to never
take another puff!
Joel
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Joel |
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Yesterday I saw a few people refer to articles I have on the board about drinking. I could never seem to find them quickly when I need to so have brought
them and a string that refers to the drinking issue in this string. This one I have categorized under "My New Life" so I can find it quickly in the
future when the need arises. There is one more that I couldn't put my finger on but I will attach it next time I come across it.
So for all our non-alcoholic ex-smokers who who want to know whether or not at some point in their lives they can ever have a drink again and stay
ex-smokers, the answer is yes as long as you always stay mentally prepared before and during drinking to be resolved to never take another puff!
Joel
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Joel |
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This is a letter I wrote to a member who said when she came in she was also a recovering alcoholic. For privacy reasons I am not going to reveal the members
identity. The message that applies to her applies to every recovering addict.
If some of you have personal insights from having dealt with other addictions you are free to attach into this string. As I said, it is one I will bring up
often as the question of drinking arise. We have three groups of people here at Freedom, people who never drank, people who were social drinkers, and people
who were recovering alcoholics. The first two groups can choose what way they approach alcohol once they quit smoking. The last group cannot, alcohol
controlled them once just as nicotine did. Both substances must be dealt with the same way now. That is by the individual understanding that he or she can
never take another sip and never take another puff!
Joel
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Roberta (GOLD) |
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Thanks for keeping this post up top. I came here today because I was so bothered by an incident a few evenings ago that involved smoking, excuse me-NOT
smoking, and drinking. I had gone out drinking with friends and wanted a cigarette so bad it ruined my entire night. I had to switch to water, I had to go
home early.....wah, wah. I was so insulted by myself for wanting to smoke so bad it was "all encompassing", I couldn't even focus on a
conversation I wanted to smoke so bad. I never thought it would feel that way after six months.
So, everyone, pay attention. Liquor is bad for not smoking and don't forget it even after six months. Gear up before going out, I always will in the
future. Thanks for the reminder.
YQS, Roberta
I have been Quit for: 6M 3W 5h 36m 57s. I have NOT smoked 6127 sticking butts, for a savings of $919.05. Life Saved: 3W 6h 35m.
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This is something I am really worried about for myself. I have quit several times before this one
and all but one quit ended in a bar or party. I can't trust myself to not smoke when I have a drink. But, I like to drink, and right now,
I'm still trying really hard to convince myself that I don't like to smoke. I don't drink often, and when I do I rarely get drunk, but
it seems, always has, that a cigarette just goes with a drink. My course of action is to avoid drinking as well as going out with my smoking friends for at
least a month. Then I'll reevaluate.
Eve
1 week, 1 day, 12 hours, 55 minutes, 58 seconds without a sickarette
170 sickarettes not smoked
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marty (gold) |
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Take your time, Eve
Having a drink is not a life-or-death issue, unless you're an alcoholic which clearly you aren't. So what's the big deal? Don't
drink. Yet.
One day when your mind is telling you that your quit is strong enough, have one drink. If that feels OK, then stop worrying about it. If it
starts to make you feel uneasy, lay off the drink for another couple of weeks, then try again.
Eve, you don't have a drinking deadline to meet. If you don't have a drink in the next two months, say, your world will not come
crashing in. If you relapse, your world will come crashing in. We can do as non-smokers everything we used to do as smokers, (except take that
one puff), but we don't have to do them all today
NOT A PUFF FOR 8 months 2 weeks 3 days : 4664 cigs not smoked : 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours added to my life
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Joel |
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While on the holiday weekend theme I thought it might be good to bring up the alcohol thread.
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Joel |
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For Tiptoe:
Even though the core of the article here was on drinking, the concept of learning to live again in general is addressed here.
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Joel |
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First, that you need to go into all drinking situations with your guard up, higher than in normal non-drinking situations where you should have your guard up
anyway.
Also, for anyone who has had past drinking problems, quitting smoking has not cured those problems. If you couldn't drink before, you still can't
drink now.
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Stringbender Bronze |
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I would like to comment on this subject, I am a recovering alcoholic, I have been sober for 6 years and 10 months. I haven't smoked a cigarette in 4 weeks
and 6 days. I use the principles I've learned in A.A. on a daily basis and I am applying them to giving up nicotine. Just like alcohol I don't quit for
a lifetime, I just don't smoke or drink for today. It has been a good 4 weeks and 6 days and I hope to have many more, but I know I have to do it one day
at a time.I want to thank everyone for all the help
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Joel |
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As seen earlier this week, we almost lost a long-term member from drinking without proper mental preparation. Everyone who drinks needs to go into drinking
situations with his or her guard up and reasons for quitting and wanting to stay off intact. Waiting until being inebriated to deal with smoking thoughts on
an intellectual level is dangerous and should be considered life threatening.
Life threatening when you consider that such a lack of preparation can cause a relapse and a relapse is fully capable of costing you your health and your
life over time. People who know they are recovering alcoholics cannot drink--smoking or quitting smoking is not the variable here of primary concern for why
they drink. They have an addiction to alcohol to be concerned with.
People who have never considered themselves to be an alcoholic or a problem drinker but who cannot drink in a controlled manner, or people whose drinking at
one time has adversly effected their health or caused them any economic, professional, legal, or personal problems--these people need to think long and hard
of whether they are in fact problem drinkers or possibly dealing with alcoholism issues. If your drinking threatens your quit, you are in effect a problem
drinker--you are putting your health on the line to drink.
The vast majority of non-alcoholic social drinkers can still drink without risk of relapse--but being mentally prepared is crucial here. Go into
ALL drinking situations reminding yourself that you are a recovering nicotine addict and you are going to be a recovering nicotine
addict for the rest of your life.
While that may not sound great in concept--being a recovering nicotine addict--it beats being an actively using nicotine addict hands down. For over time
being a recovering addict has no real signs or symptoms and no real adverse health or even social effects associated with it. Being an active user would
actively be destroying tissue with every puff, depositing cancer-producing chemicals with every puff, assault your heart and circulatory system with every
puff, cost you money with every puff, and make you reek with every puff. To avoid all the problems of being an active addict still translates to always
knowing that to stay smoke free--even when not totally sober, still only requires remembering to never take another puff!
Joel
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Here's something that happened to me at about 1 month into my quit:
I used to go to a Cheers type place after work (it closed a couple of years ago, and the gang split up). OMG I just remembered - one of the regulars was
Geoffrey Bible - we used to speak whenever he was in town - he SEEMED to be a sweet guy lol.
Anyway, I was visited at home by one of the old regulars (first time seeing him since my quit) . We had cocktails (yeah okay, several), he's still a
heavy smoker. At one point, he was fixing a computer problem for me, we were animatedly discussing the problem, and as I was looking over his shoulder at
the computer, his cigarette smoke came wafting up at me and man oh man at that moment I actually experienced what people feel just as they throw away their
quit. It was a crystal clear moment. But what was equally crystal clear was my total recall of everything that I had learned from this site. Of course I
didn't smoke. That's it.
Thanks, Mary
2M1W3D etc.
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Ladybird is Gold |
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Mary,
I know exactly your vision with the cigarette in full view (the moment of the loss of so many quits before) . . . & I too did not take one puff!!
Happily
It was a very trying weekend for me with quite a few struggling moments as I sat in a room with 3 smokers puffing away constantly & me being the only
person there not smoking (I could hardly believe I was!!). Having a few drinks probably added to the urges, but I made it, which makes me know I can have a
few beers, enjoy them & not have to have a cigarette.
Today I was listening to a client (I am a counsellor) with an alcohol addiction describe how hard it has been for her to give up drinking (several admissions
to detox & rehab, many relapses, etc) & I thought after about how socially acceptable drinking is in many situations. As an adult (& hopefully
as a teen) there is very little outright pressure to smoke. Even if you are the only person in a group not smoking, no mention is even made of it. I have
never seen a person who is a non smoker be repeatedly offered a smoke, whereas if someone says they are not drinking, often a series of coaxing follows. It
is not necessary to explain why you don't smoke. There are no excuses or reasons or explanations required. It's great!!
Just wondering oif any other nicotine addcts thought about this . . .
YQS,
Susan
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Interesting observation Susan! Back in my navy bootcamp days they actually gave smoke breaks to smokers while if there were any extra duties to be conducted
the non-smokers were expected to keep going. It was the only time in my life that I saw non-smokers contemplate an immediate benefit from smoking.
I read recently that roughly 20% of drinkers have drinking problems while only 5 to 10% of drinkers are chemically dependent upon alcohol. With between 70
to 90% of adult smokers chemically dependent upon nicotine it's almost the reverse. Imagine if 90% of regular adult smokers were not dependent upon
nicotine but instead, like drinkers, were free to come or go as they pleased . It's my guess that like with alcohol, you'd see a bit more social
sharing and encouraging each other to smoke a bit of nicotine!
But reality is reality! Just one big puff of new nicotine and the comfort is over for this kid and it's back to working hard each day to keep pace with
his constantly falling blood serum nicotine level. Being an actively feeding nicotine addict is work!
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Hello Susan and John: Susan, you are right in your observation about most social circles now in regards to smoking. The one group that does face pressures still are younger people--and John, your recollections of the old Navy days still have relevance. I was doing a little consulting work with the Navy a few years ago. They had initiated the total smoking ban in boot camps. Recruits would come in to basic training, be totally off cigarettes for 6 weeks I think, and then surveyed a few months later to see if they actually had lower smoking rates. The theory was, kids who got addicted when in high school or elementary school, now had the chance to detox and were then free to choose. It sounded good in theory that there should have been a noticeable drop in smoking rates. In fact, the opposite was found--within a few months of time in the service there were actually more smokers than who originally enlisted. The 18 to 24 year old age group has the highest smoking rates at this time in the United States. It is apparent that there still is some kind of pressure on these young people to smoke. In the military they seem to have felt that some of the pressure was coming from the training schools after basic training. The feeling was that many of the older instructors were still smoking, and one of the ways for the newer recruits to spend time with the instructors and maybe even win some favor was by sharing the cigarette breaks with them. I suspect this factor along with the one John points out such as the extra breaks for the smokers may be factors influencing the increased smoking trends. Whether any specific person here has pressure on him or her to smoke or not to smoke, it still comes down to each individual's decision. The decision must be based on the available options--to smoke full-fledged until cigarettes eventually cripple and then kills you or to stay free from the total control that nicotine exerted on you in the past. If your choice is to stay free you must always remember to never take another puff! Joel |
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HI! This is a great thread especially for the holiday weekend. I have been obsessing a bit about a staff party I have tomorrow at a bar in town. All
but three will be smoking and it will be my first time at the other side of the bar( My profession is a bartender ) since I quit. I thought of not showing but
I know I must ultimately face my fears and be prepared. So I thank you for these letters on alcohol and I want you to know. I take this seriously. I have to
believe things will get better and easier. Thank you and have a happy Sunday. Lena 2 Weeks 3days 3hours WITHOUT A PUFF!!
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Everyone who drinks needs to go into drinking situations with his or her guard up and reasons for quitting and wanting to stay off intact. Waiting until being inebriated to deal with smoking thoughts on an intellectual level is dangerous and should be considered life threatening. Life threatening when you consider that such a lack of preparation can cause a relapse and a relapse is fully capable of costing you your health and your life over time. People who know they are recovering alcoholics cannot drink--smoking or quitting smoking is not the variable here of primary concern for why they drink. They have an addiction to alcohol to be concerned with. People who have never considered themselves to be an alcoholic or a problem drinker but who cannot drink in a controlled manner, or people whose drinking at one time has adversly effected their health or caused them any economic, professional, legal, or personal problems--these people need to think long and hard of whether they are in fact problem drinkers or possibly dealing with alcoholism issues. If your drinking threatens your quit, you are in effect a problem drinker--you are putting your health on the line to drink. The vast majority of non-alcoholic social drinkers can still drink without risk of relapse--but being mentally prepared is crucial here. Go into ALL drinking situations reminding yourself that you are a recovering nicotine addict and you are going to be a recovering nicotine addict for the rest of your life. While that may not sound great in concept--being a recovering nicotine addict--it beats being an actively using nicotine addict hands down. For over time being a recovering addict has no real signs or symptoms and no real adverse health or even social effects associated with it. Being an active user would actively be destroying tissue with every puff, depositing cancer-producing chemicals with every puff, assault your heart and circulatory system with every puff, cost you money with every puff, and make you reek with every puff. To avoid all the problems of being an active addict still translates to always knowing that to stay smoke free--even when not totally sober, still only requires remembering to never take another puff! Joel |
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The below recent study is not offered to show you how far science
has come in understanding the chemical and neurochemical
relationships between alcohol, nicotine and the function of human
mind but to instead show how little we yet understand.
No nicotine today, Never Take Another Puff!
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